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R'Schiller On Corrupt Culture

posted Saturday, 28 April 2007
In a highly thoughtful article entitled “Torah Umadda and the Jewish Observer Critique: Towards a clarification of the Issues”, Rabbi Mayer Schiller has a fascinating observation regarding the perverse aspects of contemporary media and culture. His sentiments are often articulated most vocally on R’Harry Maryles blog, with the point being that basically not every activity that is pursued by the “Modern Orthodox” can be considered within the rubric of the Torah Umadda philosophy. Blatant attempts to include the hedonistic aspects of culture into a Torah way of life are inexcusable and furthermore, tarnish the true objectives of the Torah U Madda endeavor. I’ll let Rabbi Shiller’s comments speak from themselves;

“On a personal note, it has been my experience, having taught Talmud in Modern Orthodox high schools for twenty years, that those few who do abandon the faith do so not because of their exposure to secular disciplines, but because they found a hedonist lifestyle more pleasant. As noted earlier, this is the great crisis which confronts Modern Orthodoxy and all segments of Orthodoxy today – hedonism, not ideology. It is the cheap attachment to popular culture which threatens, not that of knowledge and beauty in the larger sense. My students did not abandon Judaism because they studied history or literature with too much passion, rather, they left because they were tempted by images presented to them on television, movies and popular music. If a cautionary note should be sounded, it is that Modern Orthodox leaders are far too silent about this real threat to the souls of their constituents. It would require honesty and courage on their part to demand of their followers abstention from the vile (but today totally accepted) manifestations of popular culture. No, it is not necessary to throw out our volumes of classical poetry or great music, it is merely necessary to smash the television and shatter juniors CD collection.”






1. Steg (dos iz nit der šteg) left...
Sunday, 29 April 2007 12:13 pm :: http://boroparkpyro.blogspot.com/

the contrast between "classical poetry or great music" and "juniors CD collection" is elitist nonsense. aesthetics -- artistic styles -- has no moral component. it's what you DO with it, the messages you send. i'd much rather have jewish kids listen to 21st century angsty rock-rap about the pain and hope of getting through life, as opposed to some 17th century european christian's paean to jesus.


2. Rael Levinsohn left...
Sunday, 29 April 2007 1:10 pm

Steg, you raise an interesting point which I have to consider further. The point you raise is similar to the point raised by R'Allan Brill in his "Judaism in Culture: Beyond the Bifurcation of Torah and Madda" {http://www.edah.org/backend/JournalArticle/4_1_brill.pdf}. However, I think we can both agree that particularly today there is an element of popular culture that definitely promotes hedonistic behaviour. I do not think R'Hirsch or R'Soloveitchik would have approved of the lyrics of Eminem, 50cent or 2Pac. Yet, your point still is valid. The real question is how today to incorporate the quality aspects Culture and Madda into Orthodoxy without being corrupted. That challenge I think is highly confronting in todays times, perhaps explaining why there has also been a shift to the right in the "MO" world. Let me know your thoughts on this.


3. Steg (dos iz nit der šteg) left...
Sunday, 29 April 2007 1:27 pm :: http://boroparkpyro.blogspot.com/

i think it has to do with teaching kids to be conscious consumers of culture, as opposed to passive recipients of cultural messages -- even within some of the artists you mentioned there are both negative and positive messages; for examples, Eminem's song "Stan" about the perils of hero worship and obsession, and 2pac's "Changes" about oppression and poverty. What we need to do is teach ourselves and others how to 'pull a R' Mei’ir', extracting the positive messages (and a-moral aesthetics) from among the negative and/or immoral messages. Of course, that entails being open to first experiences, in order to decide "this is good, i will integrate this message" or "this is bad, i will avoid this artist" or even "the message of this song doesn't fit my Torah-based ideals, but the aesthetics are amazing; i will separate my appreciation for the artists' skills from my rejection of their ideals". Some people. understandably, do not want to be the 'tester', and prefer others to make the decisions for them. I think though that as an integrated member of wider societies and civilizations it's important as a general life skill to be able to evaluate what's around us in order to perform "tokho akhal, qelipato zaraq".


4. A Yeeed left...
Friday, 11 May 2007 9:30 am

Steg, are you aware that its ossur to put oneself in a makom sakanah? Whats this business of going after things by total choice and extracting only the good? Who says you shall be strong enough to do that? You can never totally rid all of the cultural baggage that comes with all this junk. Fact is, most of current goyishe music portrays messages totally k'neged Jewish values and is bound to have some sort of impact on anyone that listens to it.


5. Steg (dos iz nit der šteg) left...
Monday, 21 May 2007 12:04 am :: http://boroparkpyro.blogspot.com/

i think a good answer is given by R' Jack Bieler <a href="http://www.loo kstein.org/lookjed/read.php?f=1&i=15849&t=15834">here</a> on the Lookjed Jewish Education listserv.